if we were to make dry camps, we'd need to be more than just a few people sitting around a fire cooking. now i'm all for this but it won't work if the dry camps are no fun what so ever. now many people from Haven (being a heavily college group) don't have camping equipment in their dorm to take so many of us crash at people's homes nearby.

so basially what i'm driving at is that if this dry camp is going to be a fun place to hang out (and encourage underage people to not drink) we'll be needing more campers if possible or activities or something in general. perhaps we should form a period band or something

I don't think there's anything wrong with our camp, so much as the fact that it's ridiculously small. We can barely fit all 20 or so of ourselves in camp just to sit around, and that's not even with a ton of tents. If we were to have more campers, that would be even less room for people to hang out in.

TL;DR We need a bigger campsite to effectively be a more dry alternative to Mordor.

EDIT: Another link to some REALLY good pictures of all of us can be found here, so definitely look through them all.

Or, we need to cut down all those sablings to clear ourselves a bigger spot, which is what i'd prefer.

We're kind of far out of the way for people to find, though, too. It'd be nice to have a more central location instead of stumbling through the dark. Seriously, we're like the only group up there on that path for some distance, and we're very much on the edge of that part of the property, so... eh.
I am DEFINITELY for clearing ourselves more space, though, regardless.

The reson you and Alterra ARE placed so far out, is to prevent drunks wandering in. And Dominion holds several clean up[ days before the event. Those are to allow people to further clear thier sites. Maybe you could get some of hte BS crew to go out nad do some work on those days. If I ever get the chance ot make it to a clean up day, I would gladly assist you guys.

Also, if you nad Alterra are such good firends, thier site is HUGE since it is in small field in back. Might be worth looking into.

I am all up for trying to hold a sober party at one of the camps. I am sure I can get all of the Springfield Fallen Clan to hang out and help. We got alot of musicians down here.

Also, I hate to double post, but htis deserves its own spot.

Mordor was not at fault. All Mordorian drinks come from the bar, and all drinkers at the bar are carded (except members of the poisoners guild). The drinks Relin got were from a visitor to the party. NOT mordor.

...i could have heard him wrong but i thought he said that he did have drinks from the mordorian bar, anyone else hear this? it was at the campfire while angus grilled sweet potatoes. but i have no doubt that the abstanth or however you spell it didn't come from the bar

I heard the same, Odin. And I also know that my own 14 year old brother was offered alcohol by random passers-by while he was wandering around at night. If I heard him right, this actually happened in the Sacred Grove; I don't know that he went into Mordor or not. Thankfully, he turned them down, or we could have had some more serious trouble.

Suffice to say that whether it's Mordorians specifically or not, it's definitely people who are bringing unwelcome things into their camp (and into the camps of others) and handing them out even if people don't approach the bars directly-- particularly, it seems, to those who are far below the legal age to drink. THAT is a serious problem.

I envision some sort of location separate from the campsites that serves as the only place where alcohol consumption is allowed, it's only operational for a limited time, and you must be carded before entry. But with the layout of the area, it would be hard to create a secure enclosure. If it were possible, though, it would allow a place for those who can and do legally consume alcohol to have a few drinks while keeping away those who either can't or don't want to be near the alcohol. By keeping alcohol away from the camps, people can still visit camps in a friendly way without worrying about coming into contact with alcohol. I don't know how feasible it would be to do something like this though.

Regrettably, Constantine, I don't think that would ever, ever be possible. Not because it isn't doable, but because so many people who attend events (particularly Gates and War) seem to go mainly so that they can be very wild.

Just wondering, is somebody making a letter or something to send to Dominion, or are we just discussing this right now? We should all sign whatever is created so they know how many people are upset about this. And I really am upset that they were offering alcohol to 14-year olds.

I can tell you now, before they restrict the drinking, they'd restrict the camping age. There are WAY more drinkers than non.

What Orrin says is true.

Well, I say more of us need to camp at gates this spring, rain or no rain. And we should have an epic Althavenwood party on Saturday night for the people who are underaged and/or don't feel like getting trashed.
I hung out with Alterra last Saturday, and their site would be great for a party, because of the big field right there. Plus, most of them were up pretty late, and I bet they'd make good hosts. Now, if only we could organize a titty contest...

LOLz. I would win hands down.

Yeah, Iohn's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, haha.

On that note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXossOPWjcY

Nothing's better than a metal cover of a hip hop song.

damn drunks
I'm so pissed about this!! If this problem (which is criminal) is not dealt with me and mine shall not camp another dome event.

Riekoku is willing to put forward my propsal for markin dry camps. Also, he is going to talk to The council about a sacred grove-like site for dry parties....

1) angus you make me lul, and idk i think angus might beat iohn,
2) i KNOW that Relin was in mordor, i saw him there, he was pantsless at the time but i don't think he was drinkin at the time i saw him ,
3) not all mordorians are bad about givin alcohol,
4) i would be in for a non-drinking party, sounds fun and the dry camps...