A couple things here: As Orrin has said, Mordor was not the one who handed out the Alcohol to Rellin/ Macajah. The very fact that he was told it was for lightweights keeps it from being us. We do crazy stuff, that's why we are well aware of the need for discretion. We don't want people dying in our camp, so we don't just give alcohol out to anyone. Also, the presence of Absinthe guarantees that it was not one of our guys. I can think of no member of Mordor who enjoys Absinthe.
On a related note: Instead of talking about how horrible people, i.e. Mordor, are/is, just handing out alcohol indiscriminately, perhaps someone should have given the kid a run down of the camps. I'm quite sure that Mordor being a party camp is a well known fact, even among you guys. I make it a habit to tell each new guy I bring in about the various camps, and what to expect, as well as what to look out for.
I realize this is a little after the fact, but I figured since Mordor was the name being used most, it called for a member of Mordor to answer.

Now, on a fun note, I hear my gobbo friend Milenko had LOADS of fun fighting you guys all event and specifically in the Clan vs Haven battles. I know It was great seeing how visible Haven was, you had a very united front and it made me grin to see so much effort put into presented a strong green and red front to the rest of the midwest. Good job guys, and I hope to see you at Gates.

You think I let him wonder around with-out a coursery heaads up of hte land? I told him of mordor, the grove, hailing, the frequency of porta-pottys, where teh big mud holes were, and who to avoid....VVS. I look after people, ut I don't babysit.

Didn't mean you bro. Didn't know you knew the kid before that. If he was given a heads up then of course to him goes some of the responsibility. there's a bit going to him anyways, accepting the drinks. It's the severity of the amount that was on the others who would hopefully have been kind enough to have told him to stop. obviously, that wasn't the case. But this has all been discussed before, so yeah.

As previously stated, I'm not blaming Mordor specifically. I'm blaming Mordor, yes, but I'm also blaming every other non-dry camp out there. My own little brother was offered alcohol in the Sacred Grove, not Mordor, so believe me when I say I have a bone to pick with individuals more than realms and camps.
However, I truly don't feel like people watch minors enough at events. I know a lot of people who got a hold of alcohol this past event who were definitely underage. People use the excuse, "Well, we card at the bar," but if someone asks a friend to go get them something, then that method of preventing minors from drinking (especially excessively) is more or less worthless; it's even more worthless when individuals are just handing random things out to people without telling them what it is or without asking their age. That being said, it's nearly impossible to keep people from giving alcohol to minors, and to keep minors from getting alcohol. That means there's a bit of something wrong with the mindset of Dagorhir as a whole, in my opinion, or at least to the majority of people who think that behavior is ok or not really their problem.

Dry camps is a great way to help keep intelligent people away from the wildness that takes place in wet camps, but it sadly still won't save a lot of curious or outright stupid people from having an experience they're legally not old enough to partake in.

If we seemed to be bashing Mordor or any group in particular, I apologize for making it seem that way. I'm angry at most everyone at an event, not just one realm. -.-;
I also really enjoyed fighting you after the Haven tournaments were going on, Kurai. I don't get to face off with other red fighters often, so that was a very fun learning experience for me. (:

if i might say somthing, i don't think it has anything to do with dagorhir itself for the underage drinking, i think the only part that plays is that alot of people who do dag usually are in their teens yes, but most people at events and such are over the legal age. that being said, i also must say this doesn't just happen at dag events, drinking and such occurs at every get together of people in mass numbers, there really aren't alot of places you can go with the same amount of people in one area and not have some kinda party happen, i myself say am unbiased in this matter, i wont explain my reasoning but i see both sides. that aside i really think there should be dry camp parties as well

The thing that needs to be remember is that for most people, it's a courtesy to offer someone alcohol, since most people, specifically under aged ones, are going to be looking for a chance. If your brother was offered alcohol, it wasn't as something to mess with him, it was probably seen as being nice to him.

As for the friends of under age members helping to get alcohol, we can't police everyone, nor do we make an attempt to. If this is such a problem and you want to see something done about it, I suggest you start sacrificing some of your time and making sure that it doesn't happen. We aren't there to baby sit. If you go into a camp that has drinkers, you can usually expect to be offered something. If that offends you, stay out of those camps. Don't expect the entire setup of an event to change just because it offends you guys. if I go into a camp and someone offers me a drink, I can either accept or decline. I don't automatically have to drink it. But again, it's a courtesy.

People don't say what is in a drink unless asked because it's a pretty much unspoken rule in Dag, people like to keep mixes a secret. If you want to know what's in something, tell them you are allergic to some kind of alcohol or really can't stand it or something. People don't ask age because it's a, basically, don't ask don't tell thing.

tl;dr: Either police your own people, or stay out of drinking camps. It's not our responsibility to make sure your under age members stay sober.

I tend to just assume that every drink offered is alcoholic, which tends to be true more often than not. Idk if the offerer should be required to say it, unless the person receiving it looks underage

I like the discussion that this topic is generating, but I'd like to see it discussed in a different thread. This one is for talking about the event, and I think the topic of drinking and partying at events is not only a separate issue, but also that the party aspect of any event (unless it's just a party) really ought to be secondary to the DAGORHIR part of the event. Look for a new thread in the discussion board titled:

Underage B&?!?