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PostSubject: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 8:24 am

If your are a female fighter, or a female fighter trainer, this book is a must. I am so happy I bought it.

Also, I'd be willing to share my Knowledge about it in person at events if anyone is curious, male or female. Excellent book!
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 8:24 am

Girls can be epic!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 1:32 pm

umm *ducks* dude your takin all the flak on your own for not realizing it earlier, lol
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 3:00 pm

Hmmmm, well, why don't you go train a woman (or several) to fight Dagorhir and be successful. It isn't easy, men and women are different and after training many men, the female is a big challenge. This book gave me tips on how to better train the female to be epic and about the only way to get her to the upper reaches of fighterdom.

I am sorry to say, I, as of now, have never met my female equal on the field. I'd give just about anything to change that though. Girls just don't have anyone to show them the right way to fight for their bodies.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 5:46 pm

no they really don't, and not to be rude my friend but i'm not sure that even with all the books in the world could any man actually train a women to be her best, it takes self practice, and possibly another female to achieve this. these things pass through my mind all the time, i ponder many things over longs spans, i believe that if the women of haven and the girls from there trained hard together they would become unstoppable, good thing that won't happen anytime soon, i like my freedom. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 8:05 pm

Uh... I think you guys underestimate some of our abilities. O.o And I'm not saying the women of Haven, but other women out there on the field. I can think of several girls in Dag who I've looked up to (Leandra of Dominion being one of them; I think she's a very fierce fighter and I hope to be as good as her someday).
I think you forget that in Dagorhir, there aren't a lot of women fighters, period. There are a LOT of guys on the field who suck-- or, to put it in nice terms, "aren't in the upper reaches of fighterdom". But with the vast number of you, there are sure to be some truly good fighters on the field. That's not exactly the same way for girls, just because there aren't as many of us.

Which, in turn, leads me to my real point: Guys suck at teamwork. Not with each other, but with me, and I think with girls in general. That makes me a worse fighter on the field because guys tend to have each other's backs before they have mine, and generally refuse to help me out until they've helped themselves first. I know for a fact that the girls in Haven tend to group together when we fight, because that's the only way we'll ever be able to get anything done: we're willing to watch out for each other in the way the men should, but won't, do for us.

So many times, I've been trying to push my way up to the front line so I can break shields, and I find that guys won't let me through. However, if another red MALE fighter comes up beside me, they let him through immediately. It's something that has always, always bothered me, and something I don't know how to fix because it's not anything I'm doing wrong myself; I'm not a horrible fighter, and no one else will know whether I am or not until they're willing to give me a shot-- even if I am smaller or shorter or weaker or however you wish to view me.
In summary: If you want us to be better fighters, include us more and see us as being valuable and worth working with, rather than just numbers in the ranks. We might not be men, but we're still warriors, and we can't grow as warriors until we're given the opportunity to prove ourselves as much as you can.

Oh, and also: I'm not chewing out either of you, so please don't misunderstand me. I am extremely glad both of you are willing to help better females as fighters, and I'm really grateful for it. However, I've been wanting to say that for a LONG time, and I really think it needs to be heard by everyone who plays this sport; even if you're not doing it consciously, it's still being done, so I'm mostly bringing it to everyone's awareness.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 8:37 pm

It is something that needs to be said. Women can be as good as men, but they can't fight like men to do it. They have to use their natural advantages to become awesome. Where men have 100 people to mimic to become great, women have almost no one to mimic. When they mimic what men do they have to push themselves and fight against their bodies to do the same thing. They just won't do as good male fighters fighting like male. It is a like using your jaws to fight a dog, you'll lose. But by god kick the SOB and you have a good chance.

And Kairi, I value your opinion and those of any other female. I understand your challenges and it is sad that they have to be there at all. A lot of the people who play Dagohrir should know almost the same challenges all to well. Before you say that might not be so, remember our group. These are the kids that were picked on in school, told they weren't good enough, picked last for teams. A chunk of Dagorhirrim is nonathletic or once was. These kids were mostly part of the uncool crowd. It is sad that many male fighters subject female fighters to the same sort of treatment, albeit I don't think most do it in a mean sort of way. It is an unconscious action a lot.

I expect from girls the same I I do from men. I'd gladly fight beside a woman myself. I have went to great effort in my own realm training girls for as long as I have played. The female warrior has always held a special place in my heart. It seemed to me that there challenges, both mental and mentor wise, would eventually make them greater than almost any male counter-part and I still believe that. I'm gonna prove it too.

This book has helped me to understand some of the differences I need to address specifically. I always wondered what those blocks for a woman were. Why she would do poorly in battle or why certain combos or shots wouldn't work for her/them. I always knew the potential was there, I just couldn't break that male/female barrier.

And yes Tyr, of course it takes a self-reliance, perseverance, and determination for a woman to become a good fighter, but trust me, that is for anyone.

You get discouraged, you think you could do better, you just don't get it. These are not exclusive to women, I'm sorry. Without virtue, the woman and the man are going nowhere, as many do.

And the per capita reasoning, that is a true statement Kairi. There are many sucky male fighters. I would advise you to get this book for yourself and your sword sisters in haven, i think you would get a lot of encouragement from it.

And if I said anything that might be taken as demeaning to women, I apologize, I didn't mean it. Know that I hold every woman that fights in the highest regard. Often times in higher regards than their male counter-parts, simply for the trials they face and continue to play.

Any other, this pisses me off about men/people on the battlefield stories ? They probably should be told (in a respectful manner to people in general) those things are best out in the open.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 9:17 pm

bleh long long post people
glad yoy found a book so you can write one on our forum lol

dag chicks ftw!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 9:18 pm

hmmm

Also ladies, have you checked out Swordmaiden.com? It is a good resource too.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 9:57 pm

no my friend i would be one of the WORST people to have you help train, my ways of logic seem well different let us put it that way, and to tell the truth on the field i look out for the well being of othersfar over myself i always have, i am usually always alone but i can work in tangent with many fighters, and i hate using the same old example but, at war i saw Vala standing in the middle of the field alone and there were a few shieldmen incroaching apon her, i saw this and immediatly came to her side with my red, i then took huge swings at the shields to let them know she wasn't a lone red in the pack, i did this quite often, if i saw someone alone (especially the red ladies) i would come to their side, i won't leave someone to face the wolves alone ,but i will gladly do it myself. that is my mentality, yes it is screwed up but hey geek


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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 10:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeFri Jan 16, 2009 11:51 pm

Women suck as fighters. They should just leave the fighting to the big boys. Get back in the kitchen and make my dinner!


OK, so now that I have your attention...lol

A lot of the women fighters I have seen, may not be the elite fighters, but they tend to put more heart into the fight than most guys. I would rather die beside a fighter who gives it thier all, then to win with some guy who doesn't care.

I admit, I tend to be over protective of women, and get that "I'll save you mil'lady!" complex. This is just as bad as saying (and meaning it) the first paragraph of this post. But, it is how I was brought up. Also, I love seeing people react when they are hunting women, then A big pissed off gray skinned guy runs up and yells, " Luthat Muth-la!" (Protect the Mother). Or " Get off my MUTH!", when it is Ash. That was a funny one. New guy drops his sword and hits the fetal position.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeSat Jan 17, 2009 12:00 am

Oh, and don't tell leandra, Iliya, Ashalind, or Casana what I said....
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2009 3:39 am

To be honest, that's really my only complaint. One of the reasons I like Dagorhir so much is the chance that I have to shine, and it's definitely there. I just often feel like it's a bit harder for a woman to shine than it is a man, just because we're not really given opportunities in the beginning to help get us going. As a girl, it's definitely different to try and be an asset on the field rather than a nuisance; I have to find ways to use disadvantages to my advantage, and to come up with better ways to do what I can to be a better fighter, which generally differ from what my male counterparts seem to need to do, from what I've observed.
I really, really wish we had some better female role models on the field (or at least ones more readily accessible). Hopefully, some day, some of the young(er) girls of Haven and other realms will be able to provide that role when we're older and more experienced to girls new at the sport. Right now, Dag could really use more of that.

I would love to have a copy of that book. I think I, and probably any female, would benefit from it heavily. I've been to Swordmaiden.com several times myself, and it's one of the greatest resources for female inspiration I've found on the net as far as being a girl fighter goes.
How did you get a hold of a copy of the book? From my understanding (last I heard) it was pretty difficult to get your hands on. O.o

Also: Orrin, I am definitely not opposed to having someone save my ass once in a while if I don't see it coming. I remember two occasions at War where someone did that: Once Tiberius came out of nowhere and saved me from getting plastered into the mud, and another time, you saved my ass from being run over by an angry red wielder. I seriously owe you one, so don't think I don't appreciate the male chivalry complex once in a while. @.x; I just think it gets to be a problem when guys feel that girls can't help get them out of a tight situation once in a while as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2009 4:08 am

I usually base my impression of any fighter, male or female, upon the fighting skill I observe from him/her. I generally like to assume that a fighter is more skilled than I am than the other way around. It helps prevent me from underestimating opponents.

As far as women being as capable as men, I saw a video of an 11 year old girl do parkour maneuvers that I probably won't be able to do effectively for a few years. I have no doubts that women hold as much potential as men do, especially in something like Dagorhir. They just need to make themselves known, and that's the challenging part. There are so many societal conceptions of the ways men and women are supposed to think and act that it's hard to break them.

I think what a lot of men don't realize is that the ladies who fight alongside them are exceptional. They're the ones who [probably] don't spend an hour in front of the mirror every day making sure all the right chemicals are in all the right places, and they [probably] don't worry about breaking a nail during combat, and they [probably] don't have too much of a problem with getting sweaty and dirty, because if they did, they [probably] wouldn't be doing Dagorhir. The ladies who fight aren't the fragile, high-maintenance kind, at least as far as I've observed. I'm sure there are exceptions though.

If you do spend an hour in front of the mirror putting on make-up every day and do worry about breaking nails and are concerned about getting sweaty and dirty, I meant no offense. I was just distinguishing the stereotype from the people I know.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2009 8:03 am

to be completely honest, i think better of women then of men, i like to face martus and he's diff BA, but i tend to fight harder when it's like one of the girls from haven wielding a red, cause i know they are better than i am at the thing and they have the upper hand, they will whoop me 9/10 times, so i actually took the old ranking against Kairi as a challenge, she was/is an exellent fighter and i never could beat her.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2009 1:34 pm

I enjoyed fighting alongside the red-girls of Haven at Gates last year. The three of you and Kolton, were the ones who really stood out to me, the entire event. I was sad that you three girls weren't all together at War. Lex better be at Gates this time.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2009 1:39 pm

I got the armored rose on Amazon.com, you can also get it by mailing Tobi, but I would suggest Amazon.com first.

Also, another point I didn't say, but one that is obvious. Generally girls do not have as much muscle mass as their male counterparts. They also tend not to have the girth. These are apparent disadvantages to a combat styled game, but they can be turned to advantages by being aware of them. For instance, women are more flexible and, technically, if they were trained correctly, should be able to do some wicked whippy wrap shots and dodges.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2009 7:33 pm

Epic dodges are my favorite thing to do. XDXD
And Thanks Orrin. Smile
I think we will all be at Gates, hopefully. So it should be pretty sweet.
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeTue Jan 20, 2009 1:31 am

"For instance, women are more flexible and, technically, if they were trained correctly, should be able to do some wicked whippy wrap shots and dodges."
I would love to be taught such things. Particularly the wrap shots, since I'm more of a novice with sword and board.
I'm definitely excited to try and get my hands on that book. It would make a great present to me for holidays. >.> *cough*IOHN*cough*

I sincerely hope all of the Haven girls will be able to make it to Gates. I miss the ones up in Blue Springs a lot, and on the battlefield is when we bond best. X3

And Alec, I recall at Rag watching only one girl put on makeup in the bathroom in the mornings, haha. So I'd say you have a pretty fair assumption made. We enjoy looking our best in regular life, but Dag is our chance to kick back and be one of the guys; I like to think of it as a sort of forced hygiene vacation. -.-;

Also: Thanks, Tyr. That's a huge compliment to me. (:
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PostSubject: Re: Armoured Rose   Armoured Rose Icon_minitimeTue Jan 20, 2009 1:36 pm

Well, Iohn is a pretty solid sword and boarder, he should be able to show you some stuff, but I am training Cassana and she translates my training to her needs better than anyone else I've ever trained. So she would probably be willing to show you some sword and board stuff at Gates. She is getting pretty BA at any rate and we need more of that, not girl BA's, just more BA's. So I'm hopeful to spread all my fighting knowledge to anyone who will listen and also to listen to anyone who has something to put in.

There are some wicked whippy shots you can do with a red sword that will destroy most sword and boarders. Works with glaives too. Those shots take some practice, but generally I don't see anyone do them.
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