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PostSubject: Links for garb and Amor   Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:04 pm

Garb can be a scary thing for the new comer and it can be hard to find quality garb at a realistic price. Of course the cheapest way to obtain garb is make it. Many people don' have the time or the skills needed to make garb so your stuck having some one else make it for you or o buy it. First off most medieval clothing and items are a bit over priced. Going to the Renaissance festival in town is almost enough to make me cry. So I will start with Internet links that I have found to have decent prices and/or good quality items. If people start adding links to this it can become a great resource to help get new people looking at garb ideas and taking garb to a new level of awesome exceeding the basics and even the veteran level of garb as much as possible. So if you find a really good sight that has stuff you think is great garb add it to the list and we can get a chain of references going.

http://tudorshoppe.com
Cheapest boots I have found that look like anything close to real leather. They use microfiber suede which looks and feels like real suede and dramatically lowers the cost of the item as for longevity of the product I am not sure but since they cost less then a pair of decent tennis shoes its not to bad. Also has descent prices on leather boots.

They are a bit late period for some people being designed for the 16th century. Decent selection of other items. They also have realistic prices on pants and shirts. For those that like to sew they have patterns for sell for around 10 dollars featuring a wide range of designs.

http://www.ravenswoodleather.com/
This sight can be a bit pricey but they make good quality stuff so I am including them. They are also were I got my pair of bracers and my belt from. They are the the makers of professional quality leather items and defiantly have a pirate theme. There bracer prices are good and you get a more artistic looking bracer made from the same material for about the same price as other places I have looked around at. As far as awesome goes these guys are hard to beat. Though get an extra job to afford some of the stuff, because it comes with a price tag on it that can be a little scary. On the plus side they really do make it all custom designed from your order and measurements.

http://www.by-the-sword.com/
http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/
http://www.medievalcollectibles.com
http://www.museumreplicas.com

These are the sites that carry the most common items available that I know are real and wont rip you off. The main content of each sight is about the same. Prices are normal and its all the generic stuff that every one has. None of it is really terrible but none of it is exceptional either. The criteria to be on this list is I have or some one I know has bought something from these websites.

Museum replicas has the largest clothing selection.
By the Sword had the most leather armor selections.

http://www.eladsleather.com/
I am only including this link cause everything is just so cool looking. Most of it isn't even Dag legal and its rather expensive. Mostly I consider it eye candy and wishful thinking.

http://www.aemma.org/misc/gambeson_instructions.pdf
since all the cool kids wear armor I figured why not include a nice set of instructions for making an arming jacket, gambeson, or whatever. While european persona before the crusades didn't technically were padded garments till the saw the middle easterners doing it and went oops why didn't we think of that it really helps when wearing armor and isn't a bad choice top keep yourself a bit better protected from those heavy hitters even if you don not wear armor and it doubles as a period style coat when it gets cold out.

http://www.armourarchive.org/
http://www.mailleartisans.org/
some good references for armor making and such.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:20 pm

*joy*! I love links to good garb and armor websites. I'll post a few of my links, too, that you didn't have already. You posted most of my favourites, haha. ^.^

Another really good armor website to add to this list would be:
http://www.schmitthenner.com/

Some good garb sites are:
http://www.garbtheworld.com/ (very cheap stuff)
http://www.sofisstitches.com/Home.aspx

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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:44 pm

i forgot sofi i am a bad person lol. yeah i went with the basics first and plan to go more detailed later. For the sewing types this one is fun.

http://www.patternsoftime.com/default.asp l

ots of patterns for stuff
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:22 am

PATTERNS~!~!~!!!!
*dances*

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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:41 am

My exact thoughts, Vala! I'm getting so many ideas! X3
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:13 am

For those who want passable garb quick. And plan to upgrade later. Here are some suggestions for dirt cheap, event passable garb.(Please, please, please upgrade later...)

Option one. Go to thrift store. Once there here is alist of things to look for.


Go to the mens section for dress pants. Find an earth toned (dark single colors of brown, tan, green, gray, or black) pair of dress pants. These need to be about 6 sizes to large for you. The baggier the better. NO CARGO POCKETS! It is best to find some with no visible pockets. Like the ones with only small slits visible.

Shirt option 1

Still in the mens section, in the shirts now. Find an earth toned polo shirt that is too large for you, probably 3 sizes to big. Make sure there is no pocket on the chest, and preferably no embroidered emblem. Those can be removed, but leave an ugly spot.

Shirt option 2

Womens section, in the shirts. find a womens single color, white light, tan, or earth tone, button up dress shirt. Once again, get it way to large for you.

Now for some modiying of what you bought.

Pants... most dress pants have buttons on the back pockets. Remove these, and any other buttons not needed to hold them up. done here.

Shirts

Option one, the polo.
take a sharp knife, or seam ripper and rip the hem seams on hte arms, and waist. Remove the buttons from the neck, and cut very small holes where the button had been. Now, take a short length of cord and lace it through the holes on either side of hte neck. Tadda, simple short sleeved poet shirt.

Option two, the girls dress shirt.
Cut the sleeves shorter if need be. Wear it.





Garb option two. Wal-mart.

Scrub pants are a win.

Sweat pants work as well, just remember to cut off the elastic ring at the bottum. The more jagged the cut, the better.

Tops are iffy here. Use the same criteria as from the thrift store.




((I will edit and add more ideas later. work now))
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:26 pm

THIS IS WAT I WANTS!!!!!!!! and i may buy it with my next check XD

http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/gladiator-arm-9609.html
http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/gladiator-pauldron-3537.html

THEY ARE SO SMEXY I WANTS THEM!!!! lolz XD *dies*
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:26 pm

They are marked as 7/8 oz... that is very light. May not pass at events. I would suggest contacting them and asking for a measument in fraction of an inch. DO SO BEFORE ORDERING. I would hate to see you blow your money.

But, they do look awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:25 pm

5.3.1. The minimum thickness for leather armor is 3/16 inch. The minimum thickness requirement can be achieved by layering several pieces of thin leather.

remember that 3/16th of an inch is 12 ounces so yeah they will be to thin if they are 7-8 oz leather
conversion is easy its 1/64th of an inch per ounce of leather in thickness since hide isnt universally thick they do it in a range like 7-8 ounces. so while a 11-12 range would be fine for dagorhir standards 7-8 ounces would be just neat looking leather garb. Honestly I would just buy some studs and add it to the item till this rule applies if you really want them.

5.3.2. Studded, scaled, or brigandine armor can only be counted as armor if 2/3 of the area is covered by metal, or the studs/rings/plates are no more than 1/2" apart.

heres a link to a chart that shows leather ounces to inches
http://stores.ebay.com/The-Leather-Guy/Leather-Conversion-Charts.html
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:52 pm

http://www.armourarchive.org/
http://spiers-saddlery.stores.yahoo.net/scagearandar.html

Just remember armor rules (no metal, elbows, knees, ect...)

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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:33 pm

@.@ too many numbers *dies again*
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:03 pm

you can have metel elbows and knees if it's chainmail,

5.2.5. No metal knee or elbow armor with the exception of ring or chain mail.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:34 pm

After looking at all of the sites listed I liked medieval collectibles the most. You can get a full suit of leather armor and garb for $559. THey looked liked fairly good quality too. The other sites were awesome too but the stingy in me says medieval collectibles.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:04 pm

NEVER EVER EVER EVER buy simple garb. EVER! Its too insultingly easy to make yourself. If you buy a tunic and pants you'll waste a lot of money. Just make your own tunics, and get scrub pants from walmart. Seriously. If you want to buy garb that's either difficult to make, or difficult to know how to make, that's another story. But for simple things, do it yourself.

As for armour....make your own leather if you can. Its really quite simple. Ask myself, Raynne, or anyone on the main Dag boards.

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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:33 pm

How is making armor messwise and costwise.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:45 am

Depends on what you want to make, how steady your hand is, what material you use, and how steady your hand is.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:45 am

Here are some Ecellent patterns for Garb from all around the world. Some are easy, some are not.

The site is actually an SCA site. But, they tend to have some of the best garb around.

http://www.feoragdubh.eastkingdom.org/GarbWorkshops.php
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:04 am

hey quick question, i am looking at this, http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-1904-gladiator-leather-arm-armour.aspx , and i was wondering if it looked good, and do you think it will pass.


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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:26 am

That's the exact same armor Ephraim was gushing over a couple posts ago and Orrin said they are very light and may not pass. It seems kind of chancy.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:40 am

oh yeah, i got bored and started lookin at diff armor, oh well, thx.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:38 pm

I have actually handled one since I last posted about them. You could tear it with you bare hands.

It is about as sturdy as posterboard....
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:13 pm

It's so misleading!
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:10 pm

well, you read it and see 7/8 leather. what you don't realize is that is 7/8 of an ounce. That means a one foot square of it will only way 7/8ths of an ounce. Dagorhir legal armor is typically 12 ounce leather or higher. That means a one foot square will weight 12 ounces. Now imagine how thin that actually makes that armor.

Some larps only require the item be made of the product to count as the product. The actual protective quality is un-important. They don't care what game you play, just as long as you buy the item.

Armor is truely a "buyer beware" area. research is your friend. And when all else fails, most armor sites have an area where you can e-mail them to ask further questions. feel free to use it. Many can and will make the armor to better standards if asked. Now, this means it may cost more, but it is still an option.
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PostSubject: Re: Links for garb and Amor   Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:46 pm

actually i kinda only wanted it for looks Razz that and the wing helm to look like nightmare from soul caliber but if it's not legal it's not worth it.
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